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Keeper Issues
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| Machiavelli | Date: Monday, 2013/December/16, 7:55 AM | Message # 1 |
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| Quote Each time we get a new Keeper, or Masters player they leave shortly after joining. ConFed is looking for dedicated, loyal, and active High Diamond/Masters players to step up and take on a role of pursuing a Keeper position within the Clan. We are in need of a way to quickly reboot the Keeper team.
Since I have joined the clan the keepers have been irrelevant, we seem to be trying to recruit new diamond/masters players into the clan and expecting them to represent us and be loyal, in my opinion this is no more then wishful thinking. The few high ranking players we do get have no reason to stay or care, as the keepers division itself is a joke. Two averagely active players, no sky marshal, nothing really but a the word itself Keeper is gained while joining this division.
This problem seems to lineup with one of the major problems of the clan itself, that being most of our important ranks have been unfilled for a year. 3 of 5 High command are empty, 5/10 UMC command, 5/5 CRA, 3/4 SSA all empty. At a certain point for members it becomes clear attempting to progress through our ranks is basically pointless. this is a much bigger issue that I feel must be fixed for the clan to have any real progression but not a subject i want to go into detail on.
Back to the Keepers division, we seem to be waiting for a large amount of high level, loyal players to randomly join us, give a damn about being a keeper and somehow have the whole division created out of dust. We need to be much more realistic and start using the people we have, the people that are making the clan everyday instead of waiting for gems to fall out of the sky.
So what is my point? Well, firstly the Sky Marshal position HAS TO BE FILLED and givin some actual power to lead the division, I know crunchy likes to control what happens and have the final word in everything, but thats just not going to work whatsoever here. In my opinion there is not a single reason Daeda should not be sky marshal at this point. Secondly we need to stop waiting for random masters to join us and create the division for us, clan hoppers like jacobis have made it clear this will never work, there is no loyalty from these people. The Keepers division should be filled with current clan members ASAP, despite them not being high diamond or masters.
It will not be a instant force, but it will form a base and a core group of people to move forward with, to grow in skill and role models of the clan. We should be aiming to be a Team Liquid who grows their own talent rather then an EG who buys it.
In addition to this, i suggest that the bottom two ranks for Keepers should be subject to constant change to keep the compeditive atmosphere, this could be easily linked with our weekly clan tourneys. For example the top 2 (non-keepers) of the tournament should then move on to up&down style matches against the bottom 2 ranks in the keepers. etc...
There is ALOT we can do with what we have, this goes for all of the clan and not just the keepers... so why do we seem to be waiting for random people with shiney borders around their icons to join us and do it for us?
ps, please keep all sand out of vagina in this thread.
just my opinions.
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| CrunChy | Date: Monday, 2013/December/16, 2:12 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Hello,
You're absolutely right. Yesterday I had a talk with Daedalus privately regarding a lot of these similar ideas you mentioned above.
We need someone in the Keepers who is already within the Clan that the others can look up to, someone who can organize Keeper related events such as Clan vs Clan, Keeper Show Offs, Schedule practice times, and work with other members to help them pursue a Keeper position, etc. Daedalus is someone within the Clan and already within the Keepers who shows this potential, which is why he was promoted.
As for getting people actually into the Keeper Branch, it would be nice to have the higher skilled players who are already within the Clan to apply for Keepers/show interest. But as you said the Keepers Division is a joke, no one cares or is interested.
Since the Clan rebooted at the launch of SC2 HoTS, we've had people in and out of the Keepers because there is no leadership there. In my years of the Clan before SC2 I've not had a lot of experience with the Keepers, which is why I'm looking for people within the Clan to step up, Daedalus getting his chance to prove himself first in the world of Keepers.
You have a ton of great ideas, it would be nice to see you pursue a higher position within the Clan.
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| DarkRain | Date: Monday, 2013/December/16, 2:41 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Well I think the problem with the empty spaces would be the fact that people come and go and don't go up the ranking system. We are trying to fill the spots (From what I know) but it's hard to fill all of them when no one is committed to the clan and its system
A lot of these problems will probably be solved when the Clan Cap gets increased/erased. Sadly, Blizzard won't listen to us at all, or they can't solve the matter, but that is out of our power.
Last I checked, we are not using the privileges that are given to us. Example, we are not using our own chat channel, and I feel like that once we reach a large amount of people in our community channel, we should start using it. Also, last I checked, we had 145 members in our GROUP channel, but only 75 people that were actually in our clan, so I think that we are doing a sloppy job with gaining more people that will be more into our clan or into clans in general.
I agree, the keepers position seems very pointless. They do nothing but represent, so they would get bored. I believe that we should have more interaction with OTHER clans so that we may keep our clan members interested and our clan open and known. "Dude, have you heard of the clan ConFed? We just faced them in a tourny yesterday, and they were really good and coordinated."
I myself have come up with some ideas that could help us, and I've told Oblivion about it,(I've even made some more ideas I can tell) but I don't even think they have even been put into consideration.
Jacobis for example said he left because the clan he joined (iGx)(and he told me this himself) was hosting clan battles. We could have EASILY collaborated with other clans to get some Interclan games going to keep members entertained.
(This one is just a complaint) I feel like being afk in a channel just to increase people in channel is stupid. When people come into the channel and then find out that the 15 people in it were mostly made of afk is disappointing. Sure gets me down knowing I was lied to. Sure we can't stop from being at the computer for short bursts, but to be afk all day and still chill in the channel is alittle misleading to me.
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| Machiavelli | Date: Monday, 2013/December/16, 2:57 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Quote You have a ton of great ideas, it would be nice to see you pursue a higher position within the Clan.
Sadly, this is about the 5th time I have brought up these ideas over the past 3 months.
Once the clan is back on track I will get back to putting in work and worrying about my rank, just need some sort of direction to make it fun.
Also would like to correct my mistake of saying Daeda is only average in activity after checking his profile, damn son almost 700 games this season so far. Def putting in work.
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| Paradox | Date: Monday, 2013/December/16, 3:16 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Hey guys, this is Motion/ Levocity here,
So I personally from a "Keepers" perspective agree with a LOT of the idea's that have been thrown around above. I recently had talked to Daedalus and am still quite actively in contact with Jacobis about the well being of the clan in a competitive sense. In therms of a "community" we have that, unfortunately as Dark Rain stated a LOT of the players in which are logged in daily are just sitting there idle or asking chat to do group games which isn't and issue for that but we do need to have a relative active presence.
In regards to recruiting and what not I have personally had a few times where there were people who could be recruited and the absence of an admin that was able to recruit was what deter those people. Not always some were recruited by the actual application process, but a lot of people dislike or disregard it.
In terms of the actual Keeper situation, Daedalus and myself do care greatly about the clan and well being of it and the Keeper division, but as stated above there's almost nothing we can do. Even with Jacobis in the clan 3 people 2 masters and 1 diamond CAN NOT do a clan war, we are lower league or skilled players that don't even have a full roster and on top of that we do aim to improve ourselves and the clan, however the fact that the only 2 remaining Keeper are zerg is going to make the progression of skilled players near impossible unless we want a pure zerg line-up. I am attempting to recruit a mid-high master protoss from EU however a point which Machiavelli mentioned previously was that we should grow within. I COMPLETELY agree with this. Daedalus and myself have already had a few conversations just to speculate potential players whom could join the keepers and even at a plat level we can work with that. Plat is the lowest we will recruit at however because of the fact that at plat level people have their foundations down, the macro is relatively sound and build orders are pretty on par it just takes a bit of finesse. Now that doesn't mean I personally wont work with a bronze player to help make him better it just means the focus of the Keeper group should be plat as a minimum requirement and above.
I want the Keepers to succeed and I completely nominate Daedalus as the Sky Marshall for the keepers, and in regards to the unfilled positions for the clan I feel for at least now we should have them filled with the best person for the job even as just a temp. Having the clan be filled to the brim and all jobs covered so we have actual high command and whatnot would be perfect I feel currently that too much is put on CrunChy and that's why things tend to be slow to go through because he has so much on his plate. So having others to help share the load will progress the clan substantially even if the people are only temporary in that position.
I want us to succeed, but Daedalus and myself can't do this by ourselves, let alone CrunChy and High Command and all that good stuff. So what Daedalus and I would like to instate is something along the lines of the clan skrimmage every week. Having a weekly tournament or just 1 hour to practice where it is literally pure obs to help develop the clans skills would be perfect and will give a chance for the lower league players to interact with us keepers or others in which are higher league.
All of these are suggestions and ideas currently just floating. If anything is able to come of this that will be awesome and Daedalus and myself will put 100% effort in to this clan for sure, as an example I am currently getting coached to become a diamond random player, currently I am a platinum Protoss and Terran and High diamond/ Masters Zerg.
-Levocity/ Motion
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| DirTyBiRD | Date: Monday, 2013/December/16, 6:05 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Yea I agree with the growing and apparent consensus that a new strategy for the keepers branch is needed. but what it means to me is that the wing will have to lower its standards to strong platinum or diamond players. but even then it only matters if the keepers are being used via clan wars. jacobis also told me that the main reason he left was because in igx he could clan war. and it's kinda disheartening because I remember him mentioning for months about getting clan wars going. to me, the keeper issue is a moot point unless we have clan wars.
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| ZZZ | Date: Monday, 2013/December/16, 6:09 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Excellent post.
I agree, success in large numbers 99% of the time stems from great leadership.
The Keepers branch at the moment does not have this, although we have many talented players
that can be considered Keeper-ready.
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| Kool | Date: Monday, 2013/December/16, 6:49 PM | Message # 8 |
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| I would like to be CRA once I get Sergant, and maybe a couple of people can help me out. I am generally an active person ine clan, i try to get on at least onea-two hours a day.. sent from my kobo
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| Machiavelli | Date: Monday, 2013/December/16, 8:12 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Quote Yea I agree with the growing and apparent consensus that a new strategy for the keepers branch is needed. but what it means to me is that the wing will have to lower its standards to strong platinum or diamond players. but even then it only matters if the keepers are being used via clan wars. jacobis also told me that the main reason he left was because in igx he could clan war. and it's kinda disheartening because I remember him mentioning for months about getting clan wars going. to me, the keeper issue is a moot point unless we have clan wars.
This is a valid point, however I don't think the two issues should be completely linked. We are at the rebuilding stage, and that's what I feel needs to be focused on first, having a somewhat solid lineup who are comfortable with ecother, and I think actual well organized clan wars are a bit farther down the road.
Also I don't think without clan wars the keepers are completely moot, it gives the whole clan a compeditive boost, even members who have no interest in being a keeper can benefit from the contact of a well organized fighting force linked with the clan, and clan wars themselves are an eventual product of a more compeditive overall clan.
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| soMe | Date: Wednesday, 2013/December/18, 12:24 PM | Message # 10 |
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| what i said 2 months ago ? hummm
rofl.
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| Jdman | Date: Wednesday, 2013/December/18, 10:13 PM | Message # 11 |
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| I agree with most of what has been said.
Back in the day of SC1, FAR FAR after it was even "relevant" I mean brood war came out in 1998-99, The old clan was still very strong in 2006. But back then we never even saw the keepers, they had there own channel and they had Frizz. He was sky Marshall, but he was also probably the best player in the clan. Now when the clan started the second time Crunchy made miracle Sky Marshall immediately. Now that did work out ok until something happened to him Dead maybe?
I also think maybe there could be a "cadet" like group for the keepers, people who think they have the stuff prove themselves over a week. if they prove themselves to the sky Marshall then they become an Elite enforcer. And maybe once you become an EE, maybe a weekly tournament style play one night a week should be mandatory like the clan scrimmage night. Make it mean something too those who care.
I also agree that the higher positions of the clan need to be filled. if we had a CFA for example he or she could go around and forming relationships with other clans. Once we do start clan warring, we will need a stronger security core as well, because other clans will try to steal our members, or smurf into the clan and try to bring it down. That's what happened to the old clan anyhow. So we need a CSA.
Also as far as promoting activity maybe start paring your 1v1 ladder rank with your in clan rank a bit more. For instance maybe to be an officer you need to have at least a current "gold" 1v1 rank. This ensures that you log on enough to play. Another possible point to spur activity with current members is tap the rich roleplay we have just waiting for us. This could be done by captains, or ranking officers on the three ships creating mini tournaments on the ships, that they would be in charge of.
With battle.net stupid clan cap we will always flirt with the "member" level we have now; however it would be much better for clan health, if we had say 50 active members, instead of 90 members with only 30 give or take super active. The problem is, StarCraft like any other multiplayer game is only fun, if you actually enjoy playing the game. As a game it gets old after awhile. especially for people like myself who get stuck in bronze or silver league. So as a clan we need to stop that stagnation. Make people want to log on to be part of the clan, not just to play the game.
I have watched this clan grow, and contract, and then grow again. If we are too truly thrive we need to be above the rest. Anyone can play StarCraft. The Confederation needs to be an experience. Kind of like the Xbox one. It is designed to be all you will ever need for multimedia entertainment in your house. We need to shoot for that. If you have ideas you need to voice them. Create polls on the forums. Post discussion topics like this on the forums everyday. Maybe it seems like a small idea too you, but others, like in this instance feel the same way. If you feel like you need to call out High Command on something that's not working right then do it right here. so that others will either agree or disagree with you. We cant fix whats broken, if we don't know its broken. Crunchy is a very reasonable person, and he cares a lot about the well being of this clan, as does oblivion. So if you post a problem on here, and others talk about it, you might find out that your not alone, and when crunchy and oblivion see that, then they will address the issue.
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| Kool | Date: Friday, 2013/December/20, 4:14 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Very true,
about the fact that we do not have any officers online at a given time, I think this is because of the fact that a) no CRA,  there are a lot of open valued positions, and c)The clan isn't known well enough within itself. Basically, members don't post on the forums, instead they just act ConFed in game..
BUT: With patch 2.1 incoming, the groups and clans will work very nicely. I feel that with new events, the clan will function and act better together.
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| Oblivion | Date: Friday, 2013/December/20, 7:41 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Greetings,
While I find most of this topic to be very constructive, I would like to take a moment to address some personal attacks that are being thrown at one of our former members and Keepers.
Jacobis joined the clan and due to his skill, we saw that he would be best suited as a member of our Keepers branch. After passing his Cadet Test, we agreed that we would move him to Elite Enforcer. After that promotion, he has done nothing but maintain consistent activity, help other members train, cast and stream tournaments, offer up ideas, train new Keepers, and furthermore entered in a tournament with another clan on behalf of ConFed so that we could end an issue that has been brewing with another clan for months.
He has been an outstanding member of The Confederation and someone I am thankful to call a "friend". While I have been inactive this past month, I still do care about this clan and its well being. It's unfortunate I am not able to play a bigger role during this rough patch, but I am attempting to stay in the loop as much as possible. So for those of you who are criticizing his promotion or departure, please take a step back and see the amazing contribution he made to this clan.
Additionally, for those of you who are noting the lack of leadership or the failure to adopt "new ideas", please remember that for a long time CrunChy has been pushing this clan to become something bigger and better for months. I have tried my best to come along side him and implement as many ideas that I possibly can, but at the same time we are only two people. There is a lot of power in your hands to make this clan as great as you want it to be. It is a delicate balancing act to be able to give up time for this clan and also maintain a life in the real world. I do admit that I have friends and family that will come before ConFed at times and I don't regret that. Though, I do ask for you to look back over this past year and see the time, financial, and emotional commitment that we have made to this clan. We can't do this alone and it will require everyone to work harder to get us where we want to be. It won't be easy, but that's what makes it a challenge. If we can overcome this obstacle, we will be stronger as a whole.
There's my spill. I love this clan, love you all and want to see ConFed thrive. I have read and taken notes over every idea mentioned and have a few of my own. Regardless of what some of you think, I HAVE been listening and trying to think of a master plan that will put us on the right track. The Keepers branch isn't the only issue this clan is facing and we just need to tackle one problem at a time. I know that we will get through this and emerge a stronger clan. Keep up this great discussion and I look forward to working out an idea that will resolve this issue once and for all and will put us on a path to be competitive in the SC2 Community.
I want to see The Confederation engaged in Clan Wars with other clans while maintaining an atmosphere that is also welcoming to those who aren't serious gamers. We are a clan of adversity and I believe that is what truly makes us unique and we have the potential to rise to the top and be the best clan in Battle.Net. Thank you for taking the time to read this post and I look forward to seeing what other ideas you all come up with.
Cheers,
Confederation Domestic Advisor Oblivion
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| Machiavelli | Date: Friday, 2013/December/20, 9:09 PM | Message # 14 |
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| Lets try to keep this on topic and not about Jacobis, assuming we all don't have to have the same opinion of him as you to do so. Myself calling him a clan hopper as an example to the pivotal point in my argument is not a personal attack on him (not that im claiming I wouldent) But there is no need to sugar coat it, we put our hopes on him shortly after he joined to rebuild the keepers, and now hes on a better team and we are having this problem.
This is nothing new to Starcraft or to Gaming, the better people get at a game the more they feel they need to move on to that next level, we will likely lose 50-75% of our "Star" players in 2014 (pending miracles). So is this a mistake we should repeat, or should we put our faith in someone who know who is reliable.
Daeda above all else has shown loyalty to the clan, combined with the relaxed attitude and recent determination to improve himself and the clan, in my opinion just cannot be overlooked.
Quote Additionally, for those of you who are noting the lack of leadership or the failure to adopt "new ideas", please remember that for a long time CrunChy has been pushing this clan to become something bigger and better for months. I have tried my best to come along side him and implement as many ideas that I possibly can
I myself have likely been more critical about cruncher then anyone else, and while even I dont expect things to happen overnight or to adopt every idea I have, the problem is the issues that we have are the sames ones we have always had, the same issues you and myself have spent hours debating, the months are just flying by at this point, and as much as even I dont want to belive it, Starcraft is on the decline.. the Now or Never point is right around the corner, if we are not what we want to be when LotV rolls around.. we never will be.
Just want to make this clear, im not here demanding instant change or for crunchy to wave his wand and fix everything.. nor am I looking for someone to blame. Im asking for some transparency on what if anything is actually being done about these topics, what paths we are taking, what our plans for the future are.
Quote but at the same time we are only two people.
Exactly.......
Nobody wants or expects you two to do it alone, thats not what a clan is.
Quote There is a lot of power in your hands to make this clan as great as you want it to be.
Sorry for another downer from me, but I don't agree with this at all, i feel its kind of the exact opposite.. even when I was on good terms with you guys all I could do was voice my opinions, which I can say at this point did very little (from what I can see) I have never felt any ability to change anything, nor have I ever even known the direction the high command wants the clan to take.
Again, these are just my personal opinions and I am a low rank newer member.
If they offend you, dont read them, mute me, demote me, kick me, etc.
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| DarkRain | Date: Friday, 2013/December/20, 10:21 PM | Message # 15 |
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| I would like to mention as well that ideas that the whole clan has made, me included, has not yet been seen yet, or has been seen as a mere act of child imagination, of something that is to "silly", even though I came up with an idea to where we can come around the damn clan cap, but still no one listens or thinks that the idea is silly, so trying to word on problems is difficult, but we ARE trying to help. Please don't assume that most of the clan doesn't care about its progress when in fact, this damn forum post is SHOWING how much we care, showing how we want to fix problems. I just want to see this clan the way it was leading up to be from BW, even though we cant rely on what our past does to us.
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| Machiavelli | Date: Friday, 2013/December/20, 10:35 PM | Message # 16 |
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| Quote this damn forum post is SHOWING how much we care
This point did need to be made.
To be honest some of us are here tip toeing around the actual subjects at hand just so we can get it out there without people taking it personally as an attack on themselves.
While I will not name names and likely nobody will confirm this for me, I have had several high ranks PM in-game about this issue and many more, fearing punishment for seeming to be publically """""""Attacking""""""" certain people.
As an ending note, and again im not trying to head hunt here, but I should be the last person bringing critical issues such as this into a public stage.
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| Oblivion | Date: Saturday, 2013/December/21, 2:19 AM | Message # 17 |
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| Just to clarify, I never mentioned that you all don't care about the clan. It's obviously true since you're still here and commenting on the post. I'm welcome to give anyone power who feels he/she can have a great impact and move the clan forward. Obviously I am not doing this and have been taking the wrong steps.
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| ShazamPoof | Date: Saturday, 2013/December/21, 2:58 AM | Message # 18 |
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| While I am waying into this into this late, I finally decided it would never be late then never. Starting from what I remembering being the top. Jacobis basically was our Lebron James and we were the Cavaliers. Sure all the Cavalier fans loved Lebron in Cleveland, but why would he stay if he could go to the Heat (Yes I did read a news article to make sure I had that right). I spent multiple nights up tip 4 in the morning practicing with him and I learned a lot, but what could I give back? Maybe a little confidence boost?
This I why I think clan wars are so essential, it gives the top players something that they can't really get from anywhere else in the clan. And I don't know if things have changed but when I started looking for clans about 6 months ago, this was the only one where I could get anyone to respond to me, the only one with a website and TeamSpeak. I doesn't seem like the clan environment is really there in Battle.net 2.0. There isn't anything that could be done about that, but its something to keep in mine and could easily be seen to have a rippling effect to our clan.
Some of the other problems I think can be accounted to the clan never really totally breaking free of is Brood War shell. Only just recently were the win requirements removed for promotions that have been irrelevant for years, and I feel like it could use more revamping to make it better suited for SC2.
Its late and there is more than I wanted to say, at least I think there was I can't really remember so I am going to stop now
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| Machiavelli | Date: Saturday, 2013/December/21, 3:27 AM | Message # 19 |
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| Quote Obviously I am not doing this and have been taking the wrong steps.
Don't think anybody is saying this, most of us agree yourself and crunchy have done a great job, but 100 minds are better then just 2.
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| Oblivion | Date: Saturday, 2013/December/21, 10:41 AM | Message # 20 |
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| Please read DarkRain's post, Mach,
I also agree with ShazamPoof. There is a fine line between preserving history and adapting the clan to serve the needs of our new environment of SC2. Things are completely different and clans have changed. If we don't change it's inevitably doomed to fail because our clan model is great for BW, but not sustainable in SC2.
The cadet group for the Keepers was an idea I pitched to crunchy about a month ago. We were going to implement it in the upcoming weeks by starting a plat/diamond clan war team under the keepers , this would allow them a chance to practice and rank up while also getting us into the clan wars scene. Though after promotions of two members to keepers, we really didn't have enough to start a team like this so the idea was pit on hold until we had more plats and diamonds.
Additionally, every idea submitted by the clan has gone into consideration. You can talk to Zmic and Crunchy about every idea I've throw a to hem. Just because you give an idea doesn't mean it's ready to be implemented then and there. There are a lot of variables we have to work out (for some, not all) and we have done our best to implement these. I still have your list of what you sent me and have tried to implement such changes. So believe it if you want, but DarkRain, I have listened.
I have also agreed for a long time the Sky Marshall positions boule be filled to give a sense of leadership and direction with the branch. I echo this sentiment with every branch in this clan. Most ideas on this forum have already been thought of or mentioned to me st one point or another. Between real life, holidays, school, work, and trying to plan other clan events and changes they have gone untouched. This problem stems back to the fact that there are not enough members in a capacity to lead in the event crunchy and myself become extremely busy.
I also was going to host our first weekend of open clan tournaments where we could effectively use the community channel and get our name out into the community again, but due to my schedule and the holidays I was unable to complete this task which is extremely unfortunate because it is so,etching I pushed for for a long time once we changed channels. I hope to do it soon, but who knows.
Cheers.
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| Machiavelli | Date: Saturday, 2013/December/21, 1:24 PM | Message # 21 |
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| Granted, his wording is really confusing, but after reading his post again and having talked to him about you (and the clan in general) I still dont think he meant to say that your decisions have been bad ones, more just that he feels his input has been ignored.
I really dont want this to turn into a blame post, many people have PMed me after this post saying the same. Nor do I want these changes to burn you out more, a post centered around mass opinion for change is going to come off as placing blame and hate towards you guys, but please dont take this as our intentions.. this clan is going nowhere without the two of you on board, and nobody wants a revolution. We are just heavily invested in this clan. anyone who has any common sense in the clan knows we are still standing because of yourself, most of us have been saying you should have been VP long ago.
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| Oblivion | Date: Saturday, 2013/December/21, 1:44 PM | Message # 22 |
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| I'm just trying to make it clear that there have been steps taken to try as prevent us being at this spot but things have come up that have prevented them from being implemented. I'm just trying to offer my perspective and share some of the insight that I have to these situations. I do appreciate this topic and the ability to openly discuss problems.
I'm running errands at the moment and replying on my iPhone so I'll edit this reply later when I'm at my computer.
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| Oblivion | Date: Tuesday, 2013/December/24, 1:13 PM | Message # 23 |
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| Greetings,
All the posts that have been made above will be reviewed on the individual basis and a plan will be formed with the cooperation of members input from the Keepers and UMC. Thank you for all the criticism as it has been helpful. If you have anymore ideas, please feel free to post a reply on this thread. Once we have a plan in place, it will be posted on the forums so that every member will have access to what steps we will take to fix these issues and it will also hold us accountable to fulfilling this plan.
Have a Merry Christmas Eve!
Confederation Domestic Advisor Oblivion
Formerly Known as A1a3a1(ConFed)
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| Kool | Date: Tuesday, 2013/December/24, 3:18 PM | Message # 24 |
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| Quote Personally, It might be a good Idea for us to broaden our horizons by expanding to different games, yes sure SC2 is a very popular game but there are a lot more players on different games, for example Day Z, I say Day Z because it is a cheap and relatively fun game to play not to mention it could open up a new variety of players for us and thus introducing a lot new members. Now with this there is also going to be a problem, for example whenever someone makes a Tournament it is going to be awkward because people who do not know about SC2 are going to be very confused, at the same time this clan is almost 100% devoted to SC2 and it would be difficult to keep tabs on all of our players-Beta
I think this is a great idea, all though I would like to stick to PC if we could. A few games that are cheap: Starbound, Terraria, games to play while relaxing from sc2. We could open up like Indie Division, FPS division, etc. Also blizzard games are good, Heroes of The Storm looks cool. Sorry for straying off topic of keepers.
With great power comes great electricity bill.
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| soMe | Date: Tuesday, 2013/December/24, 4:16 PM | Message # 25 |
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| Hey !!
1st of all , i wish u all a merry christmas. Health , love, and all you want !
I considered myself as a member of confed ( still dont know why i get kicked out ) but i think Keepers should start asap for some reason.
1- Keep our elite member - Imagine urself as good as Jacobis or deada or anyone else in the team. You probably want to play with the same skilled player or members. and its normal. Always play with less skilled player isnt good for anyone. You cannot pratice urself, cannt be better. Isnt your intention to be good wwhen u play melee ?
How to start keepers branch: 1- you need a leader for Keepers. Leader need to be
1- active on bnet, active on forums, active in the community since keepers represent high level of confed. 2- be able to manage can war , be able to recruit player. 3- Leader isnt necessary the best , he can be noob as fuck , but a noob can manage a team, forum, and be active on community easiler then a players. PLayers need to play, manager need to manage.
2- need a manager to help leader in tournameent, recruitement, clan war. Keepers need their own CW , against good team. They need to pratice together, help eachother. They need to be loyal to confed, stay and participate in confed activities. they still in confed, they need to understand that.
In the beggining , you will not have 5-6 skilled players. Start with your own best players, find a manager and a leader. Make CW, tournamenet and recruit with this. After a short period of time, you will probably be able to get 5-6 good players. If ur 1st player isnt able to compete with the new one, kick them. never keep in ur branch noob, for the reputation of the team. Need to go now !
Sry for my english , pretty sure u can understand.
Machia sexy, re add me in bnet to the team u fucker. Love you
Machia's Bitch
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| Kool | Date: Tuesday, 2013/December/24, 5:16 PM | Message # 26 |
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| well then.
sorry to burst ur bubble soMe, but we already have most of this. There are already ranks within keepers, and Daeda is the "captain".
We are more concerned about the fact that nobody is a keeper, other then daeda.
With great power comes great electricity bill.
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| Oblivion | Date: Wednesday, 2013/December/25, 3:10 PM | Message # 27 |
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| Quote DarkRain (  ) I would like to mention as well that ideas that the whole clan has made, me included, has not yet been seen yet, or has been seen as a mere act of child imagination, of something that is to "silly", even though I came up with an idea to where we can come around the damn clan cap, but still no one listens or thinks that the idea is silly, so trying to word on problems is difficult, but we ARE trying to help. Please don't assume that most of the clan doesn't care about its progress when in fact, this damn forum post is SHOWING how much we care, showing how we want to fix problems. I just want to see this clan the way it was leading up to be from BW, even though we cant rely on what our past does to us.
Greetings DarkRain,
As I have been working on the outline on all the problems listed above, I just wanted to make sure that you and everyone who has read these posts are aware of the truth. Every idea or list that you have gave me regarding clan input was organized and put into a forum post in the JCOS Forum on this website. Additionally, several ideas were personally presented to CrunChy himself. Not to bring something old up, but I have posted 3-4 in depth posts regarding clan issues and things that have been brought to my attention. We have been listening, we have just not excelled in the implementation of changes.
Furthermore, I have compiled a list of 23 key points that have been noted in this forum post. On top of those, I will review the older posts from the fall and add anything that we haven't fixed. Stay tuned as I will be holding a meeting with the UMC / Keepers to address all these problems and help forge a plan.
Merry Christmas,
Confederation Domestic Advisor Oblivion
Formerly Known as A1a3a1(ConFed)
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| Jdman | Date: Thursday, 2013/December/26, 8:43 AM | Message # 28 |
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I believe part of the problem. Is that those of us who care all have our "pet" issues that we would like too see implemented into the daily workings of the clan. This is normal for any group or community. This is what makes it so hard for leadership, because if they take one persons idea over another persons then someone ends up very butt hurt. This is also why when oblivion says that they have looked at all the ideas, they really have, but they cant tell us which ones they like and don't like.
After much thought on the keeper problem, and the clan as a whole. I believe having a strong keeper branch, CRA, SSA, High Command, and UMC Command. Should all be second place to the much bigger issue facing us. That is overall clan activity. If you want this clan to grow, and get better, and have clan wars, and get our name out there so that people even respect the "keeper" name again. Then we need to get active. We need to play more games, we need to play with each other, and we need to interact more with new recruits. Once the holidays are over I will personally really start focusing on getting members on the CFS-Lexington more active.
Once again this is one of those "pet" ideas. So I don't expect any of you too care or follow me; however with more clan activity by current members, will lead too more activity overall, and with that the other parts of the clan left idle will start to come along and flourish I promise you that.
Clan: The Confederation
Rank: President
Branch: High Command
Legend, Ex-Commandant, Ex-Fleet Admiral Ex CPA, Ex CSA, Ex president.
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