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Concerning league changes
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| Machiavelli | Date: Sunday, 2013/December/22, 12:10 PM | Message # 1 |
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For thos of you who keep getting depressed because you lost rank and the masters players who stopped laddering this season, its not your fault its just the way the leagues have been redesigned.
I feel even tho it came at a weird time, its a better system.. having the lower leagues more populated.
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| Faded | Date: Sunday, 2013/December/22, 1:01 PM | Message # 2 |
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| I don't like it because as a bronze player your league just got more populated with Gold and Silver players, so there is a high chance of an ass stomping to happen to you. And same goes for the Silver and Gold league players who couldn't make the jump to Platinum and Diamond, they now have former diamonds and plats raping their faces.
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| ShazamPoof | Date: Sunday, 2013/December/22, 7:36 PM | Message # 3 |
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| So this is where my shiny blue border went!
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| MrGh0st | Date: Wednesday, 2013/December/25, 12:56 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Lol I got placed into Silver from Top Plat.
I'm now #1 Silver and still haven't been promoted. Sometimes I wish instead of a shiny league badge it would just say "Here's your MMR number"
I like big numbers I can brag about 
-MrGh0st
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| Flavour | Date: Thursday, 2014/January/02, 2:04 PM | Message # 5 |
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| That is a great bargraph showing the changes and the different %s.
I am feeling exactly the same way you are MrGhost. I used to be a top Plat player and now am in Silver and can't get out of it. Mind you, part of the reason is I haven't been playing as much in the past 12 months (as I had when SC2 first came out), but the differences in the leagues does answer for some of it.
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| DarkRain | Date: Thursday, 2014/January/02, 2:23 PM | Message # 6 |
 Tuesday, January 28th, 2014
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| Do realize that all of this might change next season. Blizzard might have realized all of the ass-stomping going on in the lower leagues that they might revert into a more balanced system. Then again, since when does blizzard listen to its SC2 players?
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| Machiavelli | Date: Thursday, 2014/January/02, 6:02 PM | Message # 7 |
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| I think you have two different issues mixed up.
League changes arnt the same thing as the matchmaking system being shit.
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| Cryptys | Date: Thursday, 2014/January/02, 6:26 PM | Message # 8 |
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| I love that the higher leagues are harder to get into, which presents a real challenge/motivation for me to practice a lot. However, the big downside is that the ENTIRE silver and gold leagues contain former diamonds/masters so any "real" silvers that still exist get curb-stomped by players way way out of their league skill-wise (not to mention the "relaxed" matchmaking system that Machiavelli referenced).
For this reason, I'm happy that Blizz has said they are looking to revert back to the old league distribution soon (but I highly doubt it happens season 1).
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| Machiavelli | Date: Thursday, 2014/January/02, 6:36 PM | Message # 9 |
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| For people looking to get better why is this such a big deal? You will learn 100x more getting stomped by a better player then beating one less then you.
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| Cryptys | Date: Thursday, 2014/January/02, 7:18 PM | Message # 10 |
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| I think you learn more by playing people SLIGHTLY better than you than playing people multiple leagues better than you. Just my opinion though.
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| Flavour | Date: Thursday, 2014/January/02, 7:27 PM | Message # 11 |
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| I would agree with Cryptys.
If I was to get stomped by someone who is 3 or 4 leagues above me, I would most likely not watch that replay (to learn). But if I just barely lost (or won) against an opponent close to my skill level, I certainly would take the time to analyze the game (and try to learn).
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| Machiavelli | Date: Thursday, 2014/January/02, 8:25 PM | Message # 12 |
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| I dont understand? why do you say they are 3 or 4 leagues above you, there is not diamond/masters players in silver.. or even plat if you go by the graph.
The leagues are now balanced in regards to skill ceiling, the difference between GM and Masters players is massive compared to a Gold and Plat.
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| Cryptys | Date: Thursday, 2014/January/02, 9:28 PM | Message # 13 |
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| I play former Masters every day in Plat. You can see that in the graph.
I think depending on the skill level it can be two leagues difference from previously.
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| Machiavelli | Date: Thursday, 2014/January/02, 9:42 PM | Message # 14 |
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| Am I missing something? How do you know the people you are playing are currently masters level players if they are in silver.
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| Flavour | Date: Friday, 2014/January/03, 10:29 AM | Message # 15 |
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| Machivelli, I think what some of us are referring to is: when you play and lose to a player and his current league is Silver (if you are also in silver for this example) but his previous league standing (shown on the right side) is Plat or Diamond, then he's either smurfed his account to get placed lower (by loosing on purpose) or is out of practice - hence why he's placed in Silver, but is still better then most "real" Silver skilled players.
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| Machiavelli | Date: Friday, 2014/January/03, 11:39 AM | Message # 16 |
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| I would say most people are a few leagues below what they were in their prime.
I have 3 accounts, one former masters one former diamond and one former plat but curently i play at a silver/gold level.
I dont think we should be blaming this on the league redesign, its just the nature of starcraft.. the higher you get, the amount of effort you have to put in grows massivly, and soon as you stop putting in that effort.. you are going to drop in league.
Former league placement is in no way a sign of current skill.
Quote or is out of practice - hence why he's placed in Silver, but is still better then most "real" Silver skilled player
my point is this makes them silver.. if a gold stops playing for awhile and loses alot of his skill and gets placed in silver.. well then hes silver until he can work his way back up to gold... what other league would he be put in?
I also understand this seems to be a big deal because of the redesign but this problem has always been there, but it has been at the higher level, the way I see it blizzard had two choices.
1) make the lower leagues bigger, which changes the skill gap to include former gold players, adding more competitiveness to where 70% of the starcraft 2 population is.
2) keep the bottom 100 of the 200 grand master players as a joke compared to the top 100.
All they did was shift it from the top to the bottom.
Quote then he's either smurfed his account to get placed lower
Somebody once accused me of this, told me I was "hiding in silver", i found it quite amusing.. I dont see any reason why someone would purposly want to be in a lower league. Plus, even if they went through the effort of doing this.. its still not the fault of league redistributon... even in the old system if someone wanted to do this they could.. the exact same way.
Im sorry but I just dont see these people in silver who are "3-4" leagues ahead in terms of skill.
if you really feel you are being matched against players far above your skill level, then you should be complaining about MMR and Matchmaking, not league distribution.
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| Flavour | Date: Friday, 2014/January/03, 12:13 PM | Message # 17 |
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Tuesday, January 7th, 2014
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| Good post. I agree with everything you said. 
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| Cryptys | Date: Friday, 2014/January/03, 4:42 PM | Message # 18 |
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| I think some people are just extremely discouraged (going by r/starcraft threads) that when they lose to an opponent and check his profile he was previous masters when they have never been higher than platinum in their whole time playing SC2. Yes, theoretically this former masters guy might actually be plat skill lvl now, but the real plat guy won't believe that. He will think "well no wonder I lost so hard. I shouldn't even be playing this guy."
And I can say with 100% certainty that Platinum for me is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY harder than it was in Wings. I could get Diamond league without even trying in Wings. I guess that is what the league distribution really did, but for those of us who laddered in the old system it's kind of amazing to play gold and plat players who are actually very good now. The argument could be made that I just somehow understood the unit composition and metagame better in Wings, but from my memories of broodlord/infestor I don't believe that to be the case.
Either way, when it's all said and done I don't think people are ACTUALLY playing anyone way way better than them unless someone smurfed or literally just started playing again after a long hiatus. But to the low league guys who have always been in that league, they will never believe that. They will think something is broken.
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| Kool | Date: Friday, 2014/January/03, 6:00 PM | Message # 19 |
 Friday, June 6th, 2014
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| I don't have a problem with people I play. Sometimes I get placed against golds or plats, but the gap between silver and gold and even low plats is very small compared to the difference from diamond to masters. I just have to wrk harder, harrass better, and engage better. Theonly problem that has annoyed ne is when a guy with master finishes was In bronze with 92 wins and no lossez. This slows down bronzers, as they can never be rank1, and feel like they are getting promotions.
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| AProtSkred | Date: Friday, 2014/January/03, 6:37 PM | Message # 20 |
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| What blizzard is doing on paper makes a lot of sense, making the lower leagues bigger and making the higher leagues harder to get to meaning now it is now a big achievement to get to platinum. Back in WOL getting up the ladder was pretty easy and most people had it in them to get to gold-plat. The only problem is that the new more skilful people in the lower leuages are becoming very frustrating for new or returning player to the game. Imagine if you where Masters in WOL but jumped into HOTS looking to play again but could not get out of gold(and yes I do know a person who this happened to) this would be very annoying and it eventually led to him quitting. What blizzard is doing in my opnion is making people outright quit the game for no good reason. I love sc2 but the lack of new players and this is making it very annoying for some casual players.
Just my thoughts
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| Machiavelli | Date: Friday, 2014/January/03, 7:56 PM | Message # 21 |
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| just skimmed these posts, will reread, nice discussion so far.
would like to add that the skill difference between WoL end and now is actually huge at the pro level, and in my opinion across all leagues.
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